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Evidently, Monbiot's position is that either
a) we massively reduce how often we fly
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b) we can basically say goodbye to the biosphere.
Is there no other solution?
If not, what effective mechanisms can be introduced to ensure that people fly less often?
One proposed solution is to add prohibitive financial penalties on to the cost of airfares, so that people have no choice but to fly less.
But if costs are passed on to the passenger as a way of reducing the amount of people flying - and thus the amount of flights in operation - we end up with a situation once more where those rich enough can fly whenever they want and those less rich cannot.
So we achieve an environmental goal but we go backwards in terms of social empowerment.
It's widely accepted that emissions need to decrease - and the easiest way to achieve a reduction is to force people to fly less - but, to my mind, ability to pay should not be the determining factor in who gets to fly and who doesn't.
An alternative solution might be air-mile-rationing, where people are legally allowed to fly x number of kilometres per year and that is their allowance. The same for rich or poor, for company owners and for employees.
But some people will want to fly more than their allowance and some less. So air-mile permits can be made tradable on the open market (think eBay!) so that those who do not wish to fly can sell some or all of their permits to those who do wish to. (A bit like emissions trading).
Of course those who fly the most would never agree to this. But I think it's a better idea than saying to people with limited budgets - basically, you can't fly anymore.
What does everyone else think?
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I agree that the environmental impact of air travel in particular is unsustainable....
Perhaps we should all aim to reduce our flights to, perhaps one long-haul and two short-haul flights per year?....At least it would be a start...
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That's an admirable target - but in the real world there is a big problem with people not carrying through on their resolutions. What suggestions do you have to a) enforce or b) incentivise this target?
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Two points of interest in an article published today inThe Observer, written by Juliette Jowit, the Transport Editor:Pollution threat as flights hit 500m a yearThe first is that:Ministers will also reveal tomorrow that politicians and civil servants fly the equivalent of 100,000 trips to New York every year on businesswhich sounds like a surprisingly high figure for public sector employees- though it's fairly meaningless without comparable figures showing how much business people, tourists and travellers also fly.
It's utterly meaningless when they don't say how many politicians and civil servants there are. A quick Google reveals there are around half a million civil servants in the UK. So does that mean they all fly the equivalent of 0.2 trips to New York on business? Shabby journalism -unfortunately all too common when it comes to statistics.
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There's another Monbiot article here.
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Thanks for that, Alsky!
On a return flight from London to New York, every passenger produces roughly 1.2 tonnes of carbon dioxide: the very quantity we will each be entitled to emit in a year once the necessary cut in emissions has been made.
That's food for thought.
Monbiot is more or less suggesting that each individual can only achieve the necessary reduction in their personal carbon footprint, if - amongst other things - they never take a return flight across the Atlantic again.
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$%*'`[Jalabeno]%*'`@ Sod the environment!
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Thanks for your thoughtful input.
Perhaps you can provide some argument as to why the environment is not a concern for you?
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Heh, I was kidding, dude. It's a concern for everybody, but the lure of a nice cheap weekend trip is so much more immediate And you can't have your cake and eat it. Or is the problem eating you up inside? Are you going to rebrand the site as 'the green (but frequent) budget traveller'?
We're all doomed anyway. Let's see the world while we can.
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$%*'`[konangrit]%*'`@Draconian attempts to reduce the number of air passengers by making it too expensive for many to travel are completely the wrong way to go.
Millions of peoples livelihoods rely on the travel industry, many in relatively poor countries where the money is desperately needed. That's something the hypocritical wealthy environmentalists don't have to worry about whilst 30,000 ft in the air on their way to their latest meetings on climate change. Business meetings around the globe like this are completely unnecessary. They can be conducted via teleconference, something which the leasure travel cannot. You can be sure that any increases in airfares will not affect them. The environment would be in a far worse state if everone followed their examples:
Bob Napier, chief executive of WWF, formerly the World Wildlife Fund, one of the best-known environment groups. In the past 12 months he has visited Spitsbergen, Borneo, Washington, Geneva, and Beijing on business trips and taken a holiday in the Falklands, generating more than 11 tons of carbon dioxide. A typical British household creates about six tons of CO2 a year.
Tony Juniper, director of Friends of the Earth, flew to Malaysia, South Africa, and Amsterdam on business and took his family on holiday to Slovakia in the past year. This weekend he is on a business trip to Nigeria. His trips are estimated to have generated at least eight tons of CO2.
Graham Wynne, chief executive of the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds, says he was acutely aware of such issues when he made business trips to Indonesia, Washington and Scotland over the past year, clocking up more than five tons of CO2. He also takes occasional holidays to New Zealand.
Patrick Holden, director of the Soil Association, has flown this year to Japan, America (twice) and four European destinations, generating about six tons of CO2
Ministers and staff at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra), which is leading government efforts on climate change, have also shown a fondness for flying. New figures show Defra spent ?.8m on airline travel in the past financial year ? five times more than the year before.
[http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2383135,00.html]The Times[/url]
These people want to have their cake and eat it. We have a proven technologies which can help to reduce our admissions from power stations. Environmentalists oppose them all. Nuclear could put a serious dent in carbon emisions in the UK, France, for example produces about 75% of it's electricity from nuclear power. Environmentalists like Tony "8 tons of CO2" Juniper vociferously oppose any realistic way of reducing emmisions such as this, disregarding that current nuclear power stations are of a completely different and far safer design than the Chernobyl reactor. Ironically the evacuation of Chernobyl has been a boon for wildlife, with Lynx, eagles, bears, and many other rare animals populating the area now free from danger of humans.
[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4923342.stm]Wildlife defies Chernobyl radiation[/url]
Environmentalists, oppose all the alternatives such as hydroelectric dams, and even windturbines, on the grounds they kill birds and bats.
The only solution they offer is for us to return to some kind of left wing stone(d?) age hunter gatherer fantasy world.
What is needed are alternatives. Trains are a good alternative for shorthaul flights, but they must be high speed and compete with budget airlines on price. Massive investment is needed, and prices may need to be subsidised. If part of this was funded by reasonable taxes on air travel, without being so high as to stop people from traveling, then I think many would support that, including me. High speed trains have the potential to outperform planes in terms of travel time due to increasing security procedures at airports, they are also a more comfortable environment.
Trains aren't an alternative for long haul flights, there are no realistic alternatives. If we want to travel long distances, we have to fly. So instead of restricting air travel, we need to make it less environmentally damaging. Massive investment is needed in developing Biokerosene, fortunately one man did this recently, Richard Branson, pledging to invest all profits from his transport businesses over the next ten years, around $3bn, into developing biofuels for aircraft, amongst other things.
[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,1878589,00.html]Branson pledges $3bn transport profits to fight global warming[/url]
Branson is not alone, Boeing and Nasa recently teamed up with a Brazilian firm to produce Biokerosene. Biofuels such as Biokerosene offer potential to dramatically reduce carbon emissions from aviation. Instead of trying to restrict people from flying by negative measures such as large taxes, governments should be attempting to help people fly in a more environmentally friendly way by investing money into technologies such as this to enable everyone to fly in a more environmentally friendly way.
[url=http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?view=CN&storyID=2006-08-28T183515Z_01_N28337399_RTRIDST_0_ENERGY-BRAZIL-BIOFUEL.XML&rpc=66&type=qcna]Brazil firm links with U.S. to produce biokerosene[/url]
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"Trains are a good alternative for shorthaul flights, but they must be high speed and compete with budget airlines on price.... High speed trains have the potential to outperform planes in terms of travel time due to increasing security procedures at airports, they are also a more comfortable environment."
Well, this is the problem at the moment. A European train network capable of providing an alternative to budget flights even for short-haul routes is nowhere near ready. For example, Brussels and Rome are roughly 730 miles apart. To fly between the two takes about 2 hours. If we add, say, 6 hours for transfers to/from the city centres, plus airport procedures, that gives a travelling time of 8 hours one-way -so a return flight would take you 16 hours. Therefore a train doing 100 mph could in theory beat the plane on this route.
How long, though, does it take to get from Brussels to Rome by train? 16 hours +. One-way.
Another example: it's around 300 miles from Lisbon to Madrid. You can fly between the two in about an hour. Add 6 hours for transfers and airport procedures and we get a total travelling time of 7 hours. A train should be able to beat that easily. But how long does the trip actually take? 9 and a half hours. If it took that long to drive 300 miles, you'd be cursing.
True, very rarely the train is quicker -but that's mainly for domestic routes such as Paris-Marseille, and even then an efficient national rail service and a decent high-speed train are required.
The only significant area in which trains have an advantage over planes on routes actually flown by the latter is in that trains can travel overnight, whereas planes have to adhere to night flying restrictions. Trains really ought to be make more of this advantage -if they could provide comfortable sleeping cars, I'm sure many people wouldn't mind paying extra for the convenience of waking up in the centre of their destination city.
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Yes -a good example. Of course, for night journeys, high-speed journeys are not always necessary. No one would want to take that berth to Edinburgh and arrive at 4 in the morning. By the way, going back to what I was saying about Lisbon and Madrid, a high-speed rail link is in fact planned between the two. Scheduled to open in 2014, it will cut the journey time to less than 3 hours.
For more detail on future European rail travel, look at the Trans-European Transport Networks site, especially this report.
See also here. For an academic study of the air/rail issue, see Antonia Cokasova's thesis.
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While I applaud the environmentalism of the people at planestupid, their goal of banning all flights, their crass - not to mention illegal and damaging - methods of raising public awareness and their lack of information makes them look like a bunch of luddite reactionaries.
Plane Stupid activists have shut down the HQ of Easyjet in London
The easyJet HQ is at Luton airport, not in London. It appears that planestupid shut down the easyGroup HQ. That will be the first blow struck against cheap mobile telephony and men's toilet products then.
25 travel agents across the UK last night had their front doors chained shut by activists
Right, because it's the companies who sell flights (amongst many other travel-related services) who are the problem. Not the people who buy flights. Are we honestly expected to accept (unquestioningly) that consumers themselves are the blameless victims of travel agency marketing campaigns?
At the end of the day it's easier to attack corporate entities, because it gives activists a higher profile and more column inches.
But dealing with the root of the problem requires challenging the attitudes of the consumer as well and giving them intelligent and well-argued reasons to consider alternative methods of transport.
This blockheaded approach gives none of us any credit as intelligent and adult human beings.
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