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(Date Posted: 03/04/2007 10:49 PM)

Happened 22 Feb - the fuselage of one of their planes cracked during a "hard landing". SeeReuters reportThis is the third Adam Air crash/near miss I can remember. I think this should be flagged in the Asian airlines section...

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(Date Posted: 03/05/2007 1:31 AM)


I heard about the crach and now the near miss... bad luck or safety problems?
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(Date Posted: 03/05/2007 11:34 AM)


Quite a few of their pilots have resigned, claiming their maintenance procedures are very poor.

I've also read some negative comments about 12go's safety standards over on thaivisa.com.

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(Date Posted: 03/05/2007 5:52 PM)


Quite a few of their pilots have resigned, claiming their maintenance procedures are very poor.

Do we have a source for this? Or is this just hearsay?

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(Date Posted: 03/05/2007 11:56 PM)


See International Herald Tribune report

That report in itself justifies a warning (in my opinion), but I imagine you'd find some more if you google...

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(Date Posted: 03/06/2007 11:49 AM)


Bad luck for Indonesia these days. A Garuda (the national Airline, not a LCC) Boeing 737 flying from Jakarta to Yogyakarta with 133 passengers on board crashed this morning. At least 93 passengers were evacuated to  hospitals, but unfortunately there are at least 21 fatalities.... 
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(Date Posted: 03/07/2007 1:45 AM)


I think this should be flagged in the Asian airlines section...

This is quite a reasonable suggestion. I  am looking into implementing a system which scores  each airline according to various criteria. I can  add "Previous Accidents" to the criteria I have planned already.   

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(Date Posted: 03/07/2007 11:33 AM)


According to this article  which is from a french tourism website, security standards in Indonesia are very poor.

It's in french, but to translate a few sentences :

- "There is not a single month without an incident, often with old second hand B-737"

- According to Danang Parikesit, secretary general of the indonesian transports society "I don't think that in Indonesia we are very implied in inspections" He states that the government gives flying licences according to the financial reliability of the companies and not on security standards.

- Lion Air is considered as a "risky airline" by european Tour Operators. If often overruns runaways

- In february 2006 an Adam Air B-737-300 flew for many hours with navigation and communication systems broken down...       

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(Date Posted: 03/07/2007 12:58 PM)


Lionair & Mandala have both had crashes causing fatalities.

Mandala: in September 2005, a 737 crashing at Medan killed 100+

Lionair: in Nov 2004 at Surkarta, an MD-82 crashing killed 25 people.

I think the easiest way to draw attention to this - for airlines where it seems to be an issue - would be simply to link to the relevant wikipedia page.


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(Date Posted: 03/08/2007 1:01 PM)
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(Date Posted: 03/08/2007 1:31 PM)


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(Date Posted: 03/08/2007 4:26 PM)



<update>Okay, I've added some Safety Record notes to the entries for Adam Air Lion Air and mandala.</update>



I think in a way you've included more than enough there. The site's about low-cost travel - not airlines safety - and the wiki links includes about as much info as most users might want to arrive at a decision.

Also, by including details of the most recent incident, you may discourage people from clicking through and seeing that these are not isolated events. (+ you burden youreself with updating non-core information. I hope updates won't be necessary, but the way things have been going...)

But I'm glad to see this important info on the site - thanks!

Re Metaltraveller's post, I guess that passes for a safety measure in the Indonesian airline sector...

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(Date Posted: 03/11/2007 1:54 AM)


I think in a way you've included more than enough there.

It's fine for now - this is just a stop-gap measure. I have a good idea of how I want to do this sort of thing in future, but I wanted to post up something quick for now simply because there have been so many aviation accidents in Indonesia in the last three years or so. 

I am aware from my feedback that attitude Travel  introduces many readers to airlines they might have not heard of before. If a reader books a flight on an airline they wouldn't have otherwise booked on  and is then  involved in an accident, I will never know that I have directly contributed to an individual's injury or loss of life - but I will have done so, nevertheless.

On this basis  it would be remiss of me not to do something to alert  readers' attention to the shocking safety standards in Indonesia in the first place.

Hopefully, we won't see any more aviation accidents in Indonesia this year.

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(Date Posted: 03/16/2007 2:15 PM)


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(Date Posted: 03/23/2007 4:04 PM)


Two more articles:

Some airlines in Indonesia hold potential for accidents: official

and

No Indonesian airlines meet full safety standards, audit shows

Apparently the Indonesian Ministry of Transport's emergency audit put seven airlines out of twenty - including  Adam Air  - in the bottom category for safety.

The Ministry's Aviation department  has threatened that it will revoke the licence  of any airline which  cannot demonstrate improvements to  its safety standards in the next three months.

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(Date Posted: 04/11/2007 5:11 PM)


Garuda plane has emergency landing due to wheel (ie maintenance) problems.

Fortunately no-one was hurt.

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RE:Adam Air near miss
(Date Posted: 11/19/2009 5:22 AM)


i have heard from my relatives that they have been cracked down the landing.



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