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(Date Posted:02/18/2006 11:24 AM)
In this article from July 2005 The Age lays out the case against Ryanair:
"The pressure group Future Forests calculates that each Ryanair passenger journey equates to an emission of 0.6 tonnes of carbon dioxide. To offset its annual impact on the climate, the airline would need to plant 16.5 million trees."
A lean, mean (not green) budget flying machine
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(Date Posted:02/18/2006 11:27 AM)
This article by Richard Hammond in Resurgence magazine is one of the most thoughtful articles I've read so far about the negative impact of air travel on the environment and what steps we can take to counterbalance it.
All aboard the Skylark!
Is this the same Richard Hammond who co-presents Top Gear?
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(Date Posted:02/18/2006 11:29 AM)
This issue is growing more urgent all the time.
Here is a Sunday Times article from February 12th.
According to a Friends of the Earth study, the world's 16,000 passenger planes generate 600m tonnes of carbon dioxide annually, making air travel the biggest single contributor to greenhouse gases.
Join the debate: should we pay an emissions tax?
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(Date Posted:02/18/2006 11:37 AM)
And here are two more articles well worth reading:
What is the real price of cheap air travel? in The Observer talks about strategies being employed by conscientious objectors who no longer want to contribute to aviation greenhouse gas emissions - and has some criticisms about the trend towards carbon offsetting.
Flight pledge: Grounding passengers in spiked by Tourism lecturer Peter Smith asks if driving up the cost of flights does little other than recast flying as a privilege of the wealthy elite.
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(Date Posted:02/18/2006 11:43 AM)
For those who think that carbon offsetting is more than merely a middle-class conscience-salving strategy, here are some links to organisations which enable air travellers to do something to neutralise the harmful effects of the carbon emissions being pumped into the atmosphere as a result of their airtrips:
(N.B. The UK environmental lobby group Future Forests has now changed its name to The Carbon Neutral Company).
1) The Carbon Neutral Company
2) Climate Care
3) Sustainable Travel International
Is anyone here already subscribing to any of these programmes?
Would anyone not yet subscribing, now consider it?
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(Date Posted:02/28/2006 12:22 AM)
Here's a comment about the limitations of carbon-offsetting by British contemporary thinker George Monbiot.
Despite some well thought out citicism against the trend for carbon-offsetting in the middle, the piece shoots off on a couple of a random angles and Monbiot only really gets to his main point towards the end of the article:
But perhaps the most destructive effect of the carbon offset trade is that it allows us to believe we can carry on polluting. The government can keep building roads and airports and we can keep flying to Thailand for our holidays, as long as we purchase absolution by giving a few quid to a tree-planting company. How do you quantify complacency? How do you know that the behaviour the trade induces does not cancel out the carbon it sequesters?
The scam of global warming is that we pay others for our complacency
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(Date Posted:02/28/2006 12:23 AM)
Another comment piece by George Monbiot, this time examining the inconsistency between people's recognition of the harm being caused by aviation emissions and their simultaneous reluctance to reduce the number of flights they take.
In researching my book about how we might achieve a 90% cut in carbon emissions by 2030, I have been discovering, greatly to my surprise, that every other source of global warming can be reduced or replaced to that degree without a serious reduction in our freedoms. But there is no means of sustaining long-distance, high-speed travel.
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What all this means is that if we want to stop the planet from cooking, we will simply have to stop travelling at the kind of speeds that planes permit.
This is now broadly understood by almost everyone I meet. But it has had no impact whatever on their behaviour. When I challenge my friends about their planned weekend in Rome or their holiday in Florida, they respond with a strange, distant smile and avert their eyes. They just want to enjoy themselves. Who am I to spoil their fun? The moral dissonance is deafening.
For the sake of the world's poor, we must keep the wealthy at home
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(Date Posted:02/28/2006 12:32 AM)
Evidently, Monbiot's position is that either
a) we massively reduce how often we fly
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b) we can basically say goodbye to the biosphere.
Is there no other solution?
If not, what effective mechanisms can be introduced to ensure that people fly less often?
One proposed solution is to add prohibitive financial penalties on to the cost of airfares, so that people have no choice but to fly less.
But if costs are passed on to the passenger as a way of reducing the amount of people flying - and thus the amount of flights in operation - we end up with a situation once more where those rich enough can fly whenever they want and those less rich cannot.
So we achieve an environmental goal but we go backwards in terms of social empowerment.
It's widely accepted that emissions need to decrease - and the easiest way to achieve a reduction is to force people to fly less - but, to my mind, ability to pay should not be the determining factor in who gets to fly and who doesn't.
An alternative solution might be air-mile-rationing, where people are legally allowed to fly x number of kilometres per year and that is their allowance. The same for rich or poor, for company owners and for employees.
But some people will want to fly more than their allowance and some less. So air-mile permits can be made tradable on the open market (think eBay!) so that those who do not wish to fly can sell some or all of their permits to those who do wish to. (A bit like emissions trading).
Of course those who fly the most would never agree to this. But I think it's a better idea than saying to people with limited budgets - basically, you can't fly anymore.
What does everyone else think?
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(Date Posted:03/02/2006 6:49 PM)
I agree that the environmental impact of air travel in particular is unsustainable....
Perhaps we should all aim to reduce our flights to, perhaps one long-haul and two short-haul flights per year?....At least it would be a start...
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(Date Posted:03/03/2006 2:23 AM)
That's an admirable target - but in the real world there is a big problem with people not carrying through on their resolutions. What suggestions do you have to a) enforce or b) incentivise this target?
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(Date Posted:03/07/2006 3:20 PM)
In a comment in the travel section of The Telegraph, entitled Guidebooks that reveal the real you, Judith Woods comments:
Rather ironically, the founder of Rough Guides last week joined forces with the founder of Lonely Planet books to decry the casual attitude to air travel that could have a devastating impact on global warming. Warnings will appear in all new editions about the impact of flying and encouraging readers to "fly less and stay longer".
If she thinks it's ironic that Tony and Maureen Wheeler and Mark Ellingham are now taking this stance, what's she going to make of attitude Travel increasingly adopting the same line?
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(Date Posted:04/01/2006 10:22 AM)
Two points of interest in an article published today in The Observer, written by Juliette Jowit, the Transport Editor:
Pollution threat as flights hit 500m a year
The first is that:
Ministers will also reveal tomorrow that politicians and civil servants fly the equivalent of 100,000 trips to New York every year on business
which sounds like a surprisingly high figure for public sector employees - though it's fairly meaningless without comparable figures showing how much business people, tourists and travellers also fly.
The second is that:
...currently aviation contributes less than 5 per cent of all UK greenhouse gas emissions. But the sector is already the fastest growing source of greenhouse gases. Aviation emissions are nearly three times more potent as greenhouse gases because they take place high in the atmosphere. Because of this, one report suggests aviation alone will use up the entire UK pledged carbon allowance in the second half of this century.
It would be helpful to know the source for these statistics.
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(Date Posted:04/01/2006 11:15 AM)
Despite the shortcomings of Carbon Emissions offsetting, discussed above, this tool provided by the Carbon Neutral Company provides a useful insight into how much CO2 per seat will be pumped into the earth's atmosphere during your flight and how you can do something to limit the harmful effects of these emissions.
Calculate your flight emissions
Looking at the whole issue from this perspective raises another question though. If you opt to take the most environmentally responsible option and choose not to fly - and let's face it, thousands of airliners fly every day with empty seats - the aircraft won't produce less emissions during the flight, will it?
Only when enough people opt not to fly and the airline reduces how frequently it flies can this strategy have any substantial effect.
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(Date Posted:04/03/2006 10:34 PM)
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Two points of interest in an article published today inThe Observer, written by Juliette Jowit, the Transport Editor:Pollution threat as flights hit 500m a yearThe first is that:Ministers will also reveal tomorrow that politicians and civil servants fly the equivalent of 100,000 trips to New York every year on businesswhich sounds like a surprisingly high figure for public sector employees- though it's fairly meaningless without comparable figures showing how much business people, tourists and travellers also fly.
It's utterly meaningless when they don't say how many politicians and civil servants there are. A quick Google reveals there are around half a million civil servants in the UK. So does that mean they all fly the equivalent of 0.2 trips to New York on business? Shabby journalism -unfortunately all too common when it comes to statistics.
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(Date Posted:04/21/2006 6:30 PM)
To date the European low cost airlines themselves - largely responsible for the huge increase in short-haul European flights over the last few years - have made relatively little contribution to the environmental debate.
Recently however the political lobbying group ELFAA (European Low Fare Airlines Association) commissioned the economics consulting firm, Frontier Economics, to compile a report on the economic issues related to proposals to include aviation in the European Union's Emissions Trading Scheme.
Following the publication of the report, easyJet issued the following press release:
"An end to sloppy thinking and hysterical persecution": easyJet calls for a balanced debate on the environment
In the release, Andy Harrison, easyJet CEO makes some claims worth examining:
1) The report published today shows that aviation only accounts for only 4% of EU-15 CO2 emissions and will account for 5% of EU-25 CO2 emissions in 2030 - these numbers are based upon the European Commission's own numbers. This shows that too much of the debate has been based upon inaccurate and one-sided information.
If these figures are anywhere close to the truth then it sounds like the debate so far has been skewed a little... but you know what they say about lies, damned lies and statistics.
If, by 2030, intra-European aviation still only accounts for 5% of the CO2 emissions of the 25 EU member states, then it sounds like the current fears over airline pollution might eventually prove unwarranted. But how is this statistical projection calculated?
2) Calling for more taxes on air travel is sloppy thinking - in itself, this just puts more money into the pockets of governments and discriminates against the poorest in society who until recently were priced out of the sky. Crucially, and most importantly, it doesn't benefit the environment.
Applying additional taxes and charges to increase the cost of flying to the passenger is only effective if the cost of flying becomes so exorbitant that so many passengers give up flying that the airlines have to reduce the number of scheduled flights they are operating.
The net outcome of reducing the number of aircraft in the air by artificially raising the cost of flying is that people who until not very long ago could not afford to fly very often will, once again, not be able to fly very often. The rich will still be able to fly as often as they like.
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(Date Posted:04/21/2006 6:41 PM)
In response to the Frontier Economics report, Mike Rutter, the chief commercial officer of UK low cost carrier flybe - another member of ELFAA - said:
"It is a real concern of ours that the environment debate is based on such inaccurate and one-sided information.
"The result is that some of Europe's biggest offenders in terms of emissions, in particular road transport, are getting off lightly and aviation is being characterised as a major problem."
He added that flybe always aims to minimise fuel burn, which both helps the environment and reduces prices.
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(Date Posted:07/01/2006 6:20 PM)
Here's a recent thoughtful comment from The Times by Carl Mortished which talks about the pros and cons of applying the EU carbon emissions trading system to airlines and how else the polluter pays principle might be applied to the aviation industry.
Carbon tax on airlines would never fly
Mortished makes an excellent point that taxing kerosene itself at the point of purchase is probably a better solution than trying to tax carbon emissions.
Mortished also makes the point that existing flag-carrier subsidies will need to be abolished
"If green MEPs are genuine in wishing to curb pollution by aircraft, they must first address the continuing range of subsidies available to near-bankrupt national airlines that fly half-empty planes [...] every government helps with privileged landing rights for carriers, sweetheart deals at municipal airports and, best of all, duty-free kerosene. Why impose a tax when you can remove a subsidy?"
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(Date Posted:09/21/2006 3:21 PM)
There's another Monbiot article here.
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(Date Posted:09/24/2006 1:27 AM)
Thanks for that, Alsky!
On a return flight from London to New York, every passenger produces roughly 1.2 tonnes of carbon dioxide: the very quantity we will each be entitled to emit in a year once the necessary cut in emissions has been made.
That's food for thought.
Monbiot is more or less suggesting that each individual can only achieve the necessary reduction in their personal carbon footprint, if - amongst other things - they never take a return flight across the Atlantic again.
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(Date Posted:10/09/2006 6:14 PM)
$%*'`[Jalabeno]%*'`@ Sod the environment!
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(Date Posted:10/11/2006 11:25 AM)
Thanks for your thoughtful input.
Perhaps you can provide some argument as to why the environment is not a concern for you?
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(Date Posted:10/12/2006 11:52 AM)
Heh, I was kidding, dude. It's a concern for everybody, but the lure of a nice cheap weekend trip is so much more immediate And you can't have your cake and eat it. Or is the problem eating you up inside? Are you going to rebrand the site as 'the green (but frequent) budget traveller'?
We're all doomed anyway. Let's see the world while we can.
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(Date Posted:10/13/2006 6:53 PM)
Or is the problem eating you up inside?
Yes, pretty much.
I am working on a way for attitude Travel to be part of the solution, not part of the problem, which - and it pains me to write this - I think, on balance, it currently is.
On the plus side modern fuel-efficient, passenger-full planes which fly three times a week are better for the environment than outmoded, less fuel-efficient airliners which fly half-full seven days a week.
So making the wider general public more aware of less well-known low cost airlines they hadn't heard of before, is a small contribution to limiting the damage we are currently causing to the environment.
But it doesn't touch the root of the problem. Certainly not when people use cheap flights as an excuse to then fly twice as often.
Ideally - at least from an ecological perspective - the emergence of low cost aviation should allow people to spend less money for the flights they would have taken anyway, without increasing environmental damage.
In the next few months attitude Travel will increasingly ask readers to consider making their intended journey by other, less harmful - but just as cheap! - modes of transport if it isn't absolutely necessary that they fly.
This is now increasingly possible with the emergence of low cost trains - which have adopted the low cost carrier template for success - such as iDTGV in France and megatrain in the UK.
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$%*'`[konangrit]%*'`@Draconian attempts to reduce the number of air passengers by making it too expensive for many to travel are completely the wrong way to go.
Millions of peoples livelihoods rely on the travel industry, many in relatively poor countries where the money is desperately needed. That's something the hypocritical wealthy environmentalists don't have to worry about whilst 30,000 ft in the air on their way to their latest meetings on climate change. Business meetings around the globe like this are completely unnecessary. They can be conducted via teleconference, something which the leasure travel cannot. You can be sure that any increases in airfares will not affect them. The environment would be in a far worse state if everone followed their examples:
Bob Napier, chief executive of WWF, formerly the World Wildlife Fund, one of the best-known environment groups. In the past 12 months he has visited Spitsbergen, Borneo, Washington, Geneva, and Beijing on business trips and taken a holiday in the Falklands, generating more than 11 tons of carbon dioxide. A typical British household creates about six tons of CO2 a year.
Tony Juniper, director of Friends of the Earth, flew to Malaysia, South Africa, and Amsterdam on business and took his family on holiday to Slovakia in the past year. This weekend he is on a business trip to Nigeria. His trips are estimated to have generated at least eight tons of CO2.
Graham Wynne, chief executive of the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds, says he was acutely aware of such issues when he made business trips to Indonesia, Washington and Scotland over the past year, clocking up more than five tons of CO2. He also takes occasional holidays to New Zealand.
Patrick Holden, director of the Soil Association, has flown this year to Japan, America (twice) and four European destinations, generating about six tons of CO2
Ministers and staff at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra), which is leading government efforts on climate change, have also shown a fondness for flying. New figures show Defra spent ?.8m on airline travel in the past financial year ? five times more than the year before.
[http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2383135,00.html]The Times[/url]
These people want to have their cake and eat it. We have a proven technologies which can help to reduce our admissions from power stations. Environmentalists oppose them all. Nuclear could put a serious dent in carbon emisions in the UK, France, for example produces about 75% of it's electricity from nuclear power. Environmentalists like Tony "8 tons of CO2" Juniper vociferously oppose any realistic way of reducing emmisions such as this, disregarding that current nuclear power stations are of a completely different and far safer design than the Chernobyl reactor. Ironically the evacuation of Chernobyl has been a boon for wildlife, with Lynx, eagles, bears, and many other rare animals populating the area now free from danger of humans.
[url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4923342.stm]Wildlife defies Chernobyl radiation[/url]
Environmentalists, oppose all the alternatives such as hydroelectric dams, and even windturbines, on the grounds they kill birds and bats.
The only solution they offer is for us to return to some kind of left wing stone(d?) age hunter gatherer fantasy world.
What is needed are alternatives. Trains are a good alternative for shorthaul flights, but they must be high speed and compete with budget airlines on price. Massive investment is needed, and prices may need to be subsidised. If part of this was funded by reasonable taxes on air travel, without being so high as to stop people from traveling, then I think many would support that, including me. High speed trains have the potential to outperform planes in terms of travel time due to increasing security procedures at airports, they are also a more comfortable environment.
Trains aren't an alternative for long haul flights, there are no realistic alternatives. If we want to travel long distances, we have to fly. So instead of restricting air travel, we need to make it less environmentally damaging. Massive investment is needed in developing Biokerosene, fortunately one man did this recently, Richard Branson, pledging to invest all profits from his transport businesses over the next ten years, around $3bn, into developing biofuels for aircraft, amongst other things.
[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,1878589,00.html]Branson pledges $3bn transport profits to fight global warming[/url]
Branson is not alone, Boeing and Nasa recently teamed up with a Brazilian firm to produce Biokerosene. Biofuels such as Biokerosene offer potential to dramatically reduce carbon emissions from aviation. Instead of trying to restrict people from flying by negative measures such as large taxes, governments should be attempting to help people fly in a more environmentally friendly way by investing money into technologies such as this to enable everyone to fly in a more environmentally friendly way.
[url=http://today.reuters.com/news/articleinvesting.aspx?view=CN&storyID=2006-08-28T183515Z_01_N28337399_RTRIDST_0_ENERGY-BRAZIL-BIOFUEL.XML&rpc=66&type=qcna]Brazil firm links with U.S. to produce biokerosene[/url]
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"Trains are a good alternative for shorthaul flights, but they must be high speed and compete with budget airlines on price.... High speed trains have the potential to outperform planes in terms of travel time due to increasing security procedures at airports, they are also a more comfortable environment."
Well, this is the problem at the moment. A European train network capable of providing an alternative to budget flights even for short-haul routes is nowhere near ready. For example, Brussels and Rome are roughly 730 miles apart. To fly between the two takes about 2 hours. If we add, say, 6 hours for transfers to/from the city centres, plus airport procedures, that gives a travelling time of 8 hours one-way -so a return flight would take you 16 hours. Therefore a train doing 100 mph could in theory beat the plane on this route.
How long, though, does it take to get from Brussels to Rome by train? 16 hours +. One-way.
Another example: it's around 300 miles from Lisbon to Madrid. You can fly between the two in about an hour. Add 6 hours for transfers and airport procedures and we get a total travelling time of 7 hours. A train should be able to beat that easily. But how long does the trip actually take? 9 and a half hours. If it took that long to drive 300 miles, you'd be cursing.
True, very rarely the train is quicker -but that's mainly for domestic routes such as Paris-Marseille, and even then an efficient national rail service and a decent high-speed train are required.
The only significant area in which trains have an advantage over planes on routes actually flown by the latter is in that trains can travel overnight, whereas planes have to adhere to night flying restrictions. Trains really ought to be make more of this advantage -if they could provide comfortable sleeping cars, I'm sure many people wouldn't mind paying extra for the convenience of waking up in the centre of their destination city.
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Trains really ought to be make more of this advantage -if they could provide comfortable sleeping cars, I'm sure many people wouldn't mind paying extra for the convenience of waking up in the centre of their destination city.
An excellent point - the train companies in the UK and elsewhere really aren't making enough mileage yet out of how much greener they are when compared to the airlines. When trains can provide city centre to city centre night-time services
for the same price as a budget airline fare, passengers can travel:
a) just as cheaply as they would if they flew low cost
b) much more conveniently because there is no travelling to and from airports, with all the associated hassle of check-in queues, security baggage checks etc.
c) much more time-effectively because they can travel while-they-sleep so there are no daylight hours lost in transit.
Compared to the prospect of having to get up in the middle of the night to catch a pre-dawn flight, the passenger will arguably get a much better night's sleep, too.
Here's a real life example:
The First ScotRail Caledonian Sleeper service departs London Euston station at 23:45 and arrives at 07:16 the next morning at Edinburgh Waverley station. For
that you get a proper berth, so you can stretch out and sleep properly all night - unlike in an airplane seat where you have a few short hours to sleep in a cramped position.
Cheapest fares on Bargain Berths start at GBP 19 one-way.
The available low fare aviation alternatives include:
bmi
Departs London Heathrow at 06:40 and arrives at Edinburgh Airport at 08:00
Total Cost: GBP 27.10 one-way including taxes
easyJet
Departs London Stansted at 07:00 and arrives at Edinburgh Airport at 08:20
Total Cost: GBP 19 one-way including taxes
Comparing these three options, is it possible to argue that there is a better choice of transport than the one which is also the most ecologically friendly?
Why isn't First Scotrail promoting its Bargain Berths harder on this basis?
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Yes -a good example. Of course, for night journeys, high-speed journeys are not always necessary. No one would want to take that berth to Edinburgh and arrive at 4 in the morning. By the way, going back to what I was saying about Lisbon and Madrid, a high-speed rail link is in fact planned between the two. Scheduled to open in 2014, it will cut the journey time to less than 3 hours.
For more detail on future European rail travel, look at the Trans-European Transport Networks site, especially this report.
See also here. For an academic study of the air/rail issue, see Antonia Cokasova's thesis.
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(Date Posted:11/10/2006 12:43 PM)
While I applaud the environmentalism of the people at planestupid, their goal of banning all flights, their crass - not to mention illegal and damaging - methods of raising public awareness and their lack of information makes them look like a bunch of luddite reactionaries.
Plane Stupid activists have shut down the HQ of Easyjet in London
The easyJet HQ is at Luton airport, not in London. It appears that planestupid shut down the easyGroup HQ. That will be the first blow struck against cheap mobile telephony and men's toilet products then.
25 travel agents across the UK last night had their front doors chained shut by activists
Right, because it's the companies who sell flights (amongst many other travel-related services) who are the problem. Not the people who buy flights. Are we honestly expected to accept (unquestioningly) that consumers themselves are the blameless victims of travel agency marketing campaigns?
At the end of the day it's easier to attack corporate entities, because it gives activists a higher profile and more column inches.
But dealing with the root of the problem requires challenging the attitudes of the consumer as well and giving them intelligent and well-argued reasons to consider alternative methods of transport.
This blockheaded approach gives none of us any credit as intelligent and adult human beings.
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Alan Lansdowne
Editor, attitudetravel.com
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